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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 13:48:21 GMT
Hi I'm new on here. I'd say I'm a Hamilton fan but watching him recently I'd say if he doesn't get out in front with clean air ahead of him then he can't keep the pace with rosberg. It was proven today in Austria. He does do well to get himself in front but if he doesn't do it early on then he goes to pot. Not saying he's a bad driver. Just maybe not as dominant as everyone thinks. I think Rosberg realises that now and the confidence he gets from it will chip away at Hamilton's points.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 21, 2015 14:10:33 GMT
Hello! Welcome to the forum natny. I don't know, I always see Hamilton managing his lead very well and winning races comfortably enough....dominance is not so important since its about preserving machinery over a season. This weekend saw Hamilton looking off form, from FP1 onwards and him getting a pole position was quite a surprise actually. Plus that silly mistake coming out of the pitstop. I don't believe Lewis is anymore overrated than Vettel and Alonso, but this was just a bad weekend for him. If there's any place where he might be reserve his best driving, it will be at the next race.
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 14:19:02 GMT
Thanks for the welcome.
Ye, I thought Vettel was overrated (I realize now that it is one word. ha) until he started doing ok in the Ferrari. As for Hamilton, maybe you are right and I certainly think he handles pressure much better than Rosberg, but Rosberg now will be full of confidence especially for Sundays. He's proven to himself that he can outdrive Hamilton on his day even from p2.
I predict that things will get much tighter for the rest of the season. I don't think it will be the runaway win I thought Hamilton was going to get at the beginning of the season.
Silverstone though. Those fans take no prisoners to non Brits. I remember when fans cheered Schumacher into the pit lane barrier when he broke his leg. That could definitely play into Lewis' hands.
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Post by racechick on Jun 21, 2015 14:21:28 GMT
Hello Natny, welcome to our forum. LEWIS HAMILTON OVER RATED??? ARE YOU INSANE??
Ok let's look at some of your points. Last season he wasn't on pole as often as Rosberg but he won way more races, despite having more mechanical issues 'Monaco' and 'Spa' . So how did he do that? He overtook Rosberg on the track, something Rosberg has been unable to do apart from a couple of times of the line. Now to this season. Today was by far Lewis worst weekend I admit that, he was scrappy compared to what we're used to. He has generally been faster than Rosberg all season in race pace and qualifying..the races he hasn't won have been Spain, where he had a clutch issue off the start line and very poor pitstops...and today. At Monaco he was faster all weekend and pulled out a 25 sec gap on Rosberg before the safety car and the pitwall blunder. So no I dont agree that Rosberg is faster and certainly don't agree that Lewis goes to pot when he's not in front. Last year he had stunning drives from the pitlane and back of the grid to the podium, in one case overtaking Rosberg who started( on pole I think, certainly near the front) He's easily the best driver on the grid in my opinion and has done more than enough to prove it. Even the best can have a bad day at the office.
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 14:25:36 GMT
Hi Race Chick.
When Hamilton has come through to win from second it has usually been early on in the race from admittedly a decent overtaking move. I'm not saying Hamilton isn't good. Just not as good as we all thought. If Rosberg stays in front (or gets in front via overtaking as we saw today) and holds of long enough, the race is his. I think he'll be able to do it a lot more in future races.
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Post by racechick on Jun 21, 2015 14:28:52 GMT
But he doesn't stay in front. Lewis has overtaken him on numerous occasions. And Lewis doesn't always make his move early in the race, it's often later. And when he's driving from the back of the grid, it's continuously through the race. And Silverstone last year from 6th , he was all over Rosberg.
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 14:33:22 GMT
The last few races have supported what I was saying about Rosberg turning it around. Confidence is a massive part of F1 Lewis looks all deflated and defeated in his post race interviews. not just disappointed but defeated. Is that the mentality of a champion. In contrast Rosberg has the champions swagger about him. The next few races will be the tell.
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Post by racechick on Jun 21, 2015 14:40:55 GMT
Well I missed the interviews today, I'll catch them on BBC later. But I can imagine how Lewis was. But don't mistake 'extremely pissed off by not coming up to his own high standards' with being 'defeated' . Two very different animals! I agree that confidence will do wonders for Rosberg, and he needs that, but my goodness you have a short memory if you think he's displayed confidence all season!! Yes, let's bring on Silverstone and see who display confidence then......or maybe who gets frightened off the track....Yep,thats happenned more than once!!
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 14:49:29 GMT
The road to greatness is a bumpy one. That's all it is for Rosberg. Hamilton will learn this lesson at the end of the season!
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Post by racechick on Jun 21, 2015 14:52:08 GMT
You think Rosberg is a great? Now I know your taking the piss! He's had more bumps since he partnered Hamilton than a herd of camels! Humps, bumps...on their backs.
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Post by Wß on Jun 21, 2015 15:01:54 GMT
The last few races have supported what I was saying about Rosberg turning it around. Confidence is a massive part of F1 Lewis looks all deflated and defeated in his post race interviews. not just disappointed but defeated. Is that the mentality of a champion. In contrast Rosberg has the champions swagger about him. The next few races will be the tell. You mean after Monaco? Who wouldn't be? I think your argument is just another argument that is added to the list of arguments made about Lewis. Have you checked out the "Still I Rise" line in the back of his helmet? So far he's proven a lot of these baseless claims very wrong, yet "Still Baseless Claims Made" should be the line on the back of a good portion of the British fans. He's hard on tires He's too agreesive He can't save fuel He isn't smart enough to figure out all the buttons He can't handle pressre He is too much of a celebrity His head isn't in the game He wears earings He's psycologically weak. Overrated you say? 3rd in Poles will end the year 3rd in Wins and a 3 time WDC I'm not sure where you can successfully argue the overrated angle other than perhaps in a Vettel or Ferrari support group.
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 15:09:49 GMT
I actually don't agree with any of those previous claims made about Hamilton. I think he is a 'good' driver and I always want him to win. However, so is Rosberg. Putting the fact that I'm a Hamilton fan aside, I think based on the schooling Rosberg put on Hamilton today and glimpses we've seen in the past, with his new found confidence, Rosberg will take charge.
The one thing I will say negative about Hamilton is that he's a bit of a sulker. Nothing to do with his driving I know but still something to add to ur list if u like
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Post by racechick on Jun 21, 2015 15:15:32 GMT
'good'? You think Hamilton is 'good'? Well don't go overboard there will you!! You think Rosberg will take charge based on one race??? As to the sulking,I told you, he's a perfectionist, and when he's less than perfect it eats him.
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 15:18:59 GMT
Well I'll start by saying 'good' is more than can be said for your typing skills racechick. I'd say 'good' is a fair evaluation.
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Post by racechick on Jun 21, 2015 15:20:13 GMT
It's the ipad!! It's edited now.
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 15:20:40 GMT
maybe I'm seeing things. anyway
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 15:21:17 GMT
I stand by my 'good' evaluation of Lewis
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Post by Hammer on Jun 21, 2015 15:48:03 GMT
Natny, stick around and let's engage again when the next race comes by. So far we've seen Lewis schooling Nico in qualifying, and Nico has still not overtaken Lewis on track yet (starts don't count since that's not an OVERTAKE per say) in racing speed. Last year, this track was Lewis' weakest performance with a lousy qualifying and a great charge in the race but ended up 2nd anyway. Even the best has their off day or their off track. You have a short, or maybe even a faulty memory if you think Nico has displayed more confidence than Lewis this season! Everyone (all pundits, commentators I've seen) are saying Nico is a clear 2nd best this season compared to last....and this was one race. Just maybe, you're jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly.
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Post by natny on Jun 21, 2015 16:00:56 GMT
Early in the season I agree Rosberg lacked confidence. Looking at the last few races though NOW I think he'll be feeling in a strong position mentally. We also saw great composure from him to fend off lewis' attempts at overtaking around the first couple of corners. Something that someone with low confidence might not be able to do. It was Lewis locking up and feeling the pressure.
You may call this 1 strong race from Rosberg but I think it is the turning of the tide. Only the next few races will answer that.
I'll certainly stick around for discussions during the next few races. Glad to be here. u seem like a good bunch.
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Post by Liam Catterson on Jun 21, 2015 16:11:22 GMT
Welcome to the forums I wouldn't call Lewis Hamilton overrated. In fact, I don't know what defines overrated unless the car is a fluke. Mercedes and Hamilton clearly are not, especially considering Lewis has always been dominant as much as he could in every team he was in, even at the start. Some tracks benefit others, some not so much. It was really established that Lewis and Austria are not really a match made in heaven lol.
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