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Post by the2ndcoming on Apr 14, 2015 23:42:49 GMT
Lewis is learning fast. And all they can throw back is 'Oooooooo don't spray the grid girls with champagne, it's sexist and demeans women' Whether Rosberg's outburst was an attempt to grow a pair as mercedes suggested to him, or wether it was born of complete frustration over Lewis' pace, is a mute point. The effect is the same, Lewis has the upper hand in the psychological games RC, here's the problem with Rosberg now: he's taking such a pasting within the paddock and worldwide press, he can't really follow through on the team boss' suggestions that he ramp up his aggressiveness without more backlash. He will literally have to take out Lewis to beat him this year and the level of frustration so early this season suggests he may resort to the only place he feels comfortable...dirty tricks. Just a matter of time.
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Post by racechick on Apr 15, 2015 5:56:47 GMT
I wonder if Mercedes sense that too? And it's why they've said they may have to start managing them?
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Post by Hammer on Apr 15, 2015 8:39:21 GMT
Wouldn't it be highly risky for Nico to try some dodgy stuff now....after clearly venting his frustrations and looking like a desperate loser in the F1 paddock.
Say something shady happens again like in Monaco, the stewards would be hard pressed to claim him as INNOCENT from here on in. Last time out, everything was cool and then Monaco happened.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 15, 2015 8:46:14 GMT
Lewis is learning fast. And all they can throw back is 'Oooooooo don't spray the grid girls with champagne, it's sexist and demeans women' Whether Rosberg's outburst was an attempt to grow a pair as mercedes suggested to him, or wether it was born of complete frustration over Lewis' pace, is a mute point. The effect is the same, Lewis has the upper hand in the psychological games RC, here's the problem with Rosberg now: he's taking such a pasting within the paddock and worldwide press, he can't really follow through on the team boss' suggestions that he ramp up his aggressiveness without more backlash. He will literally have to take out Lewis to beat him this year and the level of frustration so early this season suggests he may resort to the only place he feels comfortable...dirty tricks. Just a matter of time. He would need to be very skillfull to somehow get away with a dirty trick that harms Lewis and elevates himself without breaking clear rules. When Mec talk about managing the two they can only mean preventing the second placed guy ruining it for both, i.e ruining it for the first placed one. Which is effectively the same thing MS and Alonso and now Seb have written in their contracts Even if Nico takes both of he loses more, and if he is able to do another Spa he wont get benefit of doubt. It could be that, like wrestling guys they are creating a pantomime rivalry, and with Nico with 1 year let after this, now would be the time to play the part, save some face and get an extension
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Post by the2ndcoming on Apr 15, 2015 11:46:51 GMT
Wouldn't it be highly risky for Nico to try some dodgy stuff now....after clearly venting his frustrations and looking like a desperate loser in the F1 paddock. Say something shady happens again like in Monaco, the stewards would be hard pressed to claim him as INNOCENT from here on in. Last time out, everything was cool and then Monaco happened. Indeed Hammer, highly risky but at this moment Nico's vision is clouded by the incessant flogging he's been taking for the last ten races. He really convinced himself that last year was over, this one anew. He started all the big talk through the press about being stronger...faster...more prepared, adopting new breathing techniques, etc. His blindness to the fact that Lewis was mega last year—consider for a moment that Lewis didn't have those melodramas last year, he may easily have won 16 or 17 of the nineteen races. Furthermore, Nico discounted the fact that Lewis would come back even better this year. So yes, he's in complete panic mode...hence the near nervous breakdown in public. People in that position are not rational—they do first then think much later after the damage has been done...often to themselves. I honestly don't see an extension for him after his two years. He brings no real value to the team...a total bore with no real appeal when it comes to sponsors, constantly creates problems for the team with his tantrums and dirty business and clearly doesn't have the minerals when it comes to standing up to a threat from Lewis or as we've seen in China, any other challenger. With all that said, he's bound to do one of three things: 1. Completely unravel and force Mercedes AMG's hand to make him subservient in their quest. 2. Become introverted and shut down, having finally come to terms with the impossible might of The Monster on the opposite side of the garage. This will force Mercedes hand. 3. Do something dirty on track (forcing Mercedes' hand). Either way, he's already stitched up and I can't speak for anyone else but it's becoming a bit hard to watch from my armchair. And yes, I deride him a lot...only because it is well deserved. He works extremely hard, without fail, to earn my contempt. But still such fun!
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Post by RyRy on Apr 15, 2015 15:14:07 GMT
It's actually a little upsetting that he has to be such a poor loser, the only way to become a winner is to accept you lost and to learn from how and why you lost and next time come back stronger and better.
Practice makes perfect, eventually you'll get there if you try hard enough.
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Post by racechick on Apr 15, 2015 22:13:54 GMT
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Post by Wß on Apr 18, 2015 20:33:10 GMT
4-0
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Post by the2ndcoming on Apr 19, 2015 4:03:07 GMT
Very telling:
BERGER: HAMILTON-ROSBERG IS LIKE ME AND SENNA
Former Ferrari and McLaren driver Gerhard Berger sees a similarity between his own F1 career and the crossroad now reached by Nico Rosberg.
The F1 legend has compared Rosberg’s new struggle to keep up with Mercedes teammate Lewis Hamilton with his own scrap with the great Ayrton Senna some 25 years ago.
Berger, now 55, won grands prix in his own right but he is probably best remembered as Senna’s somewhat subordinate teammate at McLaren.
He told the Suddeutsche newspaper: “My situation in 1990 was quite comparable to that of Nico and Lewis.
“In the beginning I could keep up very well, I was a nuisance for Senna. But eventually I lost my nerve, and when he won his second title, it was even more difficult for me because by then he was so confident,” Berger added.
rosberg hamilton wolff
Indeed, Hamilton has won eight of the last ten races, causing some to wonder if Rosberg will soon also be playing little more than a de-fact ‘number 2′ role.
Asked if Rosberg can still reverse the trend, Berger answered: “Yes. But in the past few weeks I have not liked the look of his body language.”
He is referring, in part, to Rosberg’s furious reaction after Shanghai, where he accused Hamilton of driving too slowly en route to victory.
“I don’t know what Nico was complaining about,” F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone said in Bahrain on Friday. “Lewis has always been a great champion and it would be great to see him win the title again,.”
Berger, meanwhile, said that when he realised that his best years had passed in Senna’s shadow and that he would probably never be world champion, it was incredibly difficult to deal with mentally, “But Nico is not in that situation yet.”
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Post by racechick on Apr 19, 2015 6:29:38 GMT
I Think the way Rosberg is handling this is doing as much damage as the superiority of Hamilton. He reminds me of the child in the playground who falls over and hurts his knees. He jumps up fighting back tears declaring" It doesn't hurt, it doesn't hurt" but everyone can see that it does.
I do feel for Rosberg. But more than that I love Hamilton's dominance . For me, it's what he was always going to do from the first time I ever watched him race. There have been things thrown in his path all the way, some of which Cookie listed in another thread.
But still he rises(cloud 9 smilie)
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Post by Hammer on Apr 19, 2015 6:55:36 GMT
The pressure is on him to at least end up SECOND today....otherwise it sends a clear message to Mercedes their only chance to retain the WDC crown is with the other driver.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 19, 2015 9:20:53 GMT
Nico would probably prefer Seb to win rather than Lewis (3 point loss not 7) so I think all his focus will be behind him at the start, maintaining 3rd place. But Seb will most likely do his usual party trick of trying to paste the guy behind him into the wall, resulting in Kimi jumping Nico or maybe even Seb as well
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Post by ang44 on Apr 19, 2015 11:23:52 GMT
Berger ( I really like him) has put it so succinctly... I liked Nico...but he is in an impossible situation...can beat Lewis in a fair fight?...who can? Nando & Vettel have always had/demanded number 1 status...advantage that Lewis hasn't had... I am enjoying, what I was always sure Lewis would deliver... I have seen Vettel slice others' tyres (incl LH) & last year, at Spa when Nico did it to Lewis ...Vettel was quick to say it was a racing incident... I am hoping there won't be two Germans in the pre podium room...because it really pees me off...when Lewis is excluded from the chat...though he just seems to ignore/take strength from this childish behaviour...
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 19, 2015 11:30:50 GMT
In quali I think Nico was just too selfish and not thinking about the team when driving slow and trying to save his tyres for the race I mean how is he meant to be a good number 2 and Lewis' rear gunner when he allows Seb to start in front of him? Cerebrally, just what was he thinking
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Post by the2ndcoming on Apr 19, 2015 12:45:38 GMT
As "cerebral" as Nico is claimed to be, do you think he realises that Seb is staying in his, Nico's, ear only to fill it with things that will ultimately benefit Seb? Nico looks like he is desperate to find a kind and eager ear and Seb will use that to slit his throat at the earliest opportunity. It's getting tasty.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 19, 2015 12:53:48 GMT
Nico is no match for the wily Seb. Lets not forget Seb getting Nico to blab about the Merc tyre test and since then theres no love lost amongst the 2 huns. The sooner Nico comes to his senses and hands over the vaseline to Lewis, the sooner he can have a chance of striking back at Seb and at least beating him over the year
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Post by Liam Catterson on Apr 19, 2015 13:34:25 GMT
So Nico has just confessed he would've backed Lewis into the Ferraris at China had he been ahead. Difference is, Lew would've overtook Nico before he would have half a chance
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Post by the2ndcoming on Apr 19, 2015 14:00:33 GMT
Nico is no match for the wily Seb. Lets not forget Seb getting Nico to blab about the Merc tyre test and since then theres no love lost amongst the 2 huns. The sooner Nico comes to his senses and hands over the vaseline to Lewis, the sooner he can have a chance of striking back at Seb and at least beating him over the year Lewis says no to the vaseline. He wants to make this hurt! Such fun!
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Post by Wß on Apr 20, 2015 11:14:35 GMT
We said plenty that increased competition would be nipping at Rosberg's heels much more so that Lewis'.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 20, 2015 11:28:27 GMT
Nico is a revitalised man, IMHO he has gone thru the grieving cycle of the realisation that Lewis is simply better and is an all time great.
And now he is deriving satisfaction and feelings of self worth again by rising to the challenge of Seb and Kimi, especially Seb for the reasons I mentioned in the previous post.
Nico looked happy on the podium, as if the vaseline he presented to Lewis was of the premium quality
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