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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2016 15:24:45 GMT
If Rosberg wins the championship this year, he will have won fair and square and will fully deserve it. If anyone says Nico only won because of Lewis mechanical issues, then I pity them. I would hereby like to publicly retract my earlier statement. Rosberg again showed off his racecraft with that rookie dive up the inside of Kimi. And he gets away with no effective penalty. That douche doesn't deserve anything. I was going to publicly chastise you but.... good boy, good boy.
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2016 15:26:54 GMT
Fuck off, I'm pissed off as it is.
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2016 15:38:14 GMT
Now about the race... will we hear the masses complaining about Vettel's amateurish, dangerous, reckless, hypocritical, inexperienced, divebomb on the inside like we heard with Verstappen? I'm sure we won't.
Hats off to Red Bull of letting their boys tussle at least a bit. They wouldn't have done that a couple of years ago. Nico is the luckiest guy in F1 at the moment.
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2016 15:55:36 GMT
To clarify a little... I think Vettel is unde extreme pressure to perform at the Scuderia. That pressure is showing. He's overdriving the car, it's what happens when there's an expectation to win and he feels like having to live up to the expectation. I feel bad for the guy being in a situation like that. Lewis can probably tell him what's what, very reminiscent of 2011.
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Post by LRW on Oct 2, 2016 16:45:24 GMT
I just read on Twitter that Vettel has been given a 3 place grid penalty for the next race.
I think Rosberg should of at least got that. A 10s time penalty in a Mercedes doesn't really mean much.
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Post by Hammer on Oct 2, 2016 16:52:57 GMT
I just read on Twitter that Vettel has been given a 3 place grid penalty for the next race. I think Rosberg should of at least got that. A 10s time penalty in a Mercedes doesn't really mean much. Yeah that was funny, he was about 7 seconds ahead of the next car and the stewards declared "10 second penalty for the fastest car in the field". Lol But to be honest I thought there was no need for a penalty. Rosberg dived for it and got alongside, Kimi still kept turning in. Hard racing, contact yes but Rosberg took a risk and it paid off. This penalty looks like as if contact between F1 cars is now banned which is BS.
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Post by LRW on Oct 2, 2016 17:07:37 GMT
Ah well, if Rosberg wins this season, that'll be alright. It'll be a shame. But I won't lose my shit like some people do when their team don't win. I'd also like to reassess this previous statement. I thought I was getting a bit bored of Hamiltons success, and I wouldn't mind if he lost this years championship. But today's loss has left me feeling really down and gutted. I want the first year he doesn't win to be a year that a) he doesn't lose to a teammate and b) he doesn't only lose by a handful of points - I want him to come 4th or lower.
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Post by LRW on Oct 2, 2016 17:41:43 GMT
Oh and off topic, Overboost is a cunt that cannot detect humour.
If he had a set of balls he'd post his opinions on here.
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2016 19:33:52 GMT
Leave the guy alone, bad enough he's having a conversation with himself over at the all suffering is caused by wishing things were different, there must be so much suffering going on there.
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2016 20:18:49 GMT
Okay, here's my opinion on the matter and I won't beat it to death in a back and forth because... why bother. It's not even worth discussing the ramifications until the WDC is clinched. Few points.
1 - Statistically speaking the odds of these types of failure that Mercedes has categorized as unusual and uncommon and has described them as Lewis simply being "unlucky" happening only to one driver, whether you like to admit it or not are ASTRONOMICAL. If you try and argue that you need to take a course on statistics.
2 - Lewis has every right to be pissed since it's him being affected. Drivers do that especially right after it happens... anyone remember Ricciardo in Monaco? No because he's not the black thug with a chicken wing tattoos on his neck like to racist prick I recall said last year.
3 - Mercedes needs to find the core of the issue. They are either lacking in quality control and it's inexplicably only affecting one driver in all of the teams they supply like Lewis says OR... there is something going on. Anyone that says it's not possible for a team to sabotage their driver? Who says it's a team? In a sport in which a team hatches a plan to have one driver crash in order to have the other one benefit from their odd choice of pit stops, a mechanic (one Nico's secret lovers) can't simply not torque a critical nut correctly and that's all it takes. So Mercedes needs to find what is failing and find who worked on it, see if there's a common thread or not and PROVE to Hamilton without a shadow of a doubt that there isn't someone deliberately doing that to his engines and his engines alone.
So please, don't get with the "it's impossible" crowd, we know that nothing is impossible in this sport and it's either a case of an astronomical statistical anomaly or a case study in Occam's razor. There is no other option.
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Post by racechick on Oct 2, 2016 21:22:23 GMT
Toto has said that all the failures on Lewis' engines have been different things. Which doesnt actually rule out either of your options.
It could be the astronomically high odds. Of the eight cars running that Mercedes engine, which was rock solid in pre season testing, only one of them has failures, and it has four of them.
Or it could be the rogue employee. Rosberg lover, racist, head case etc. If it's this, well it must be someone who can get to sabotage different parts of the engine, cos it's different bits that fail.
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2016 23:40:45 GMT
Tough to digest all of the nuances in races like this when there's such a plot twist. Definitely props to Palmer getting Renault a point... have to go back and re watch the race to figure out how he actually got there. Good driving for both him and Sainz.
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Post by 1lemon on Oct 3, 2016 9:03:38 GMT
I just read on Twitter that Vettel has been given a 3 place grid penalty for the next race. I think Rosberg should of at least got that. A 10s time penalty in a Mercedes doesn't really mean much. Yeah that was funny, he was about 7 seconds ahead of the next car and the stewards declared "10 second penalty for the fastest car in the field". Lol But to be honest I thought there was no need for a penalty. Rosberg dived for it and got alongside, Kimi still kept turning in. Hard racing, contact yes but Rosberg took a risk and it paid off. This penalty looks like as if contact between F1 cars is now banned which is BS. Immediately after the race I showed my mate the famous villeneuve vs arnoux battle at Dijon, imagine if they were getting 10 second penalties for everytime an overtake was a little rough, it really detracts from racing when drivers have to consult team lawyers before making a move. I'm not suggesting touring car levels of contact but aggressive moves should still be allowed to exist.
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Post by dogued on Oct 3, 2016 9:29:57 GMT
Lewis has a point on a BBC article.... there are 7 other Mercedes engines out there week in and week out, yet only his is having issues this year.
Now, is it a QC issue? Is it the change of engineers getting mixed up? Or is it a case of Lewis needing to address his driving style?
I'm a Hamilton fan, no hiding that, but wouldn't mind him losing the WDC to a driver who truly went out and earned it rather than just getting it "by default". A Nico DNF to a Hamilton win in Japan would even the season out nicely heading into the last handful of races.
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Post by LRW on Oct 3, 2016 9:30:46 GMT
I think Rosberg was lucky to not get any damage or a puncture. Look at the clout his rear tyre gets against Kimi's bodywork.
(look at 1h20m54s)
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Post by Hammer on Oct 3, 2016 9:51:23 GMT
I think Rosberg was lucky to not get any damage or a puncture. Look at the clout his rear tyre gets against Kimi's bodywork. (look at 1h20m54s) Watching that again I have to take back my previous statement...he deserved a penalty. I saw Kimi actually avoiding the collision but Rosberg kept coming and broke his wing. Yeah that's bad racing. If Rosberg had dived in and made the apex and still made contact with Kimi then I'd say it's hard and fair racing.
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Post by 1lemon on Oct 3, 2016 10:03:56 GMT
Lewis has a point on a BBC article.... there are 7 other Mercedes engines out there week in and week out, yet only his is having issues this year. Now, is it a QC issue? Is it the change of engineers getting mixed up? Or is it a case of Lewis needing to address his driving style? I'm a Hamilton fan, no hiding that, but wouldn't mind him losing the WDC to a driver who truly went out and earned it rather than just getting it "by default". A Nico DNF to a Hamilton win in Japan would even the season out nicely heading into the last handful of races. I think in all the emotions Lewis (And some people on here) may have forgotten these Merc PU failures: Bottas overheating (Singapore) Hulkenberg oil leak (Spain) Massa overheating (Canada) Wherlin oil leak (Italy) Haryanto Driveshaft (Australia) It really isn't JUST Lewis.
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Post by Wß on Oct 3, 2016 10:12:00 GMT
None of those are engine or component failures they're subsystem failures. Lewis has had two inexplicable by Mercedes' own words MGH-K failures, a Turbo failure, not seen on any Mercedes and a failure of a brand new ICE, again not seen on any Merc units.
Do you think that thought came out of Lewis' mind for the first time after that interview or do you think it's been discussed before perhaps and that's why he said it?
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Post by Wß on Oct 3, 2016 10:27:27 GMT
To be fair, Lewis did cock up one of his own engines though when he so carelessly attempted to overtake a clearly superior Rosberg in Spain.
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Post by 1lemon on Oct 3, 2016 10:30:18 GMT
I think oil leaks and overheating probably counts as a PU failure. Driveshaft is pushing it but the point still stands it's the way that a prototype car sport goes.
Or maybe there really is a conspiracy, probably also masterminded by the same people who broke the Toyota car on the last lap to let Porche win Le Mans, maybe Tupac?
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