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Jan 31, 2016 23:55:36 GMT
Post by RyRy on Jan 31, 2016 23:55:36 GMT
I'm not going to try and explain myself, explaining isn't a strong point Seriously though, go look at the trade & immigration benefits alone and you'll understand why. Look at the arguments for staying and leaving and take an unbiased view on them, it makes it very obvious which side is right and which side is wrong. Job's aren't protected by the EU, that's right. You shouldn't have protection. Do your job good and you'll keep it. Why not become anti-technology as that is the biggest "threat" to practically everyones jobs.
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Feb 22, 2016 8:37:08 GMT
Post by racechick on Feb 22, 2016 8:37:08 GMT
So Cameron has come back with his deal. A very watered down version of what he wanted originally. But it was already watered down before the current negotiations. Merkel said she'd support him to get the reforms through if he watered them down, so he did. But the Eastern European countries weren't keen on the watered down version either. They still want people to be able to claim child benefits for a child not living in the UK. Well they would wouldn't they. So we have Cameron with a weak package. And we have Corbyn who is trying to argue from a stance he doesn't believe and is tying himself in knots. www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/christopher-bacon/corbyns-misguided-deliberation-over-eu_b_9282428.htmlBoris after much deliberation has now come and said he's for exit. He has a massive following and in recent polls ( of all the current parties and 'in the running' people) has come out as the most popular to be next prime minister. So he carries some influence. Nothing recently has convinced me we're better in than out. That doesn't mean I'm anti Europe, rather anti EU. Because it's a bad model and it isn't democratic. They wield power they haven't been given by people and they change rules to suit themselves.
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Mar 8, 2016 22:11:17 GMT
Post by racechick on Mar 8, 2016 22:11:17 GMT
Governor of the bank of Engiand should be impartial and above party politics yet he's weighing in on the side of the innies. You scratch my back 'call me Dave' and I'll scratch yours.
On another topic. Migrants. What a complete mess the EU have got themselves into over this issue. First of all we have the leader of the most powerful country in the EU telling all the refugees to come on in the doors are open, disregarding all the rules and regulations in place. And also with no structure or plan in place as to how the refugees will be processed. Then she back tracks. Now, with elections in Germany looming and the need to gain votes, she is behind a plan to send them all back to Turkey. Meanwhile countries in Europe are putting up their own barriers and protecting their own borders. What a farce. European Union? Doesn't look like it, it's only when it suits.
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Mar 11, 2016 22:38:26 GMT
Post by racechick on Mar 11, 2016 22:38:26 GMT
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Mar 12, 2016 14:27:03 GMT
Post by Wß on Mar 12, 2016 14:27:03 GMT
Given that snippet of information though how does leaving the EU change that? From an economic standpoint the more you import the less is produced and the less jobs, but if you're looking to increase your exports an there is no market to export to you lose job. In an ideal you want there to be a balance, not more one way.
Look at the tumult China has caused in the global economy. They were the kings of export until things get soft. I'm not sure there's a compelling reason or tangible (long term) from breaking from the EU. I'm going to keep an eye on this closer. Is there an election date for this referendum?
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Mar 12, 2016 14:38:24 GMT
Post by racechick on Mar 12, 2016 14:38:24 GMT
Yes in June.
The thing is. The ' we need to stay in ' group tell us we need the EU to export to. Fact is they need us more. So there will trade agreements in place to allow trade to continue. It's in everyone's interest to do so. On jobs. There is much more unemployment in Europe generally than in the UK.
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Mar 17, 2016 8:59:11 GMT
Post by racechick on Mar 17, 2016 8:59:11 GMT
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Mar 17, 2016 11:14:02 GMT
Post by RyRy on Mar 17, 2016 11:14:02 GMT
UK will be very attractive once Osborne gets us in the positive, we'll be back on top when that happens.
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Mar 26, 2016 8:52:41 GMT
Post by racechick on Mar 26, 2016 8:52:41 GMT
Large multi national companies who can lobby the EU to curry favour with undemocratically elected Brussels favour staying in the EU. Small and medium sized business say it hampers employing people and shackles them. 'JOB DESTRUCTION REGULATORY MACHINE' Meanwhile, a YouGov poll for Vote Leave found only 14% of small and medium sized businesses believed EU rules make employing people easier, while 31% said they made it harder. Mr Elliott said: “Whilst the EU might be good for big multinationals, for smaller businesses it acts as a job destruction regulatory machine. “Brussels hinders smaller businesses, particularly those firms who can’t afford to lobby Brussels to curry favour.” In February, 200 business leaders stated their support for the campaign to keep Britain in the EU. The signatories of the Remain campaign letter included 36 FTSE100 bosses. www.politicshome.com/news/uk/economy/business-regulation/news/73204/anti-eu-campaigners-say-250-business-leaders-back
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Mar 30, 2016 19:48:41 GMT
Post by racechick on Mar 30, 2016 19:48:41 GMT
PORT TALBOT. UK's biggest steel producer . Produces about 12 m ( somethings) of steel. China produces nearly 800( of the same somethings) heavily subsidised by Chinese govmt and running at a massive loss. So China is flooding the market with massively subsidised and unsustainably priced steel. So we have a file dilemma. USA Reacted immediately and put tariffs on Cineses steel . Good move! Why don't the uk do the same? BECAUSE THE EU WONT LET THEM!!!! That's right. THE EU WONT LET THE UK DECIDE HOW TO REACT TO THE THREAT TO THEIR STEEL INDUSTRY. A steel industry is crucial to future development of other industry, like our car industry, and when steel prices become normal market value again , as they will, we need to be producing steel! It is also crucial to the thousands of workers in the industry. If they are made redundant they will have to claim benefits and they will feel like shit! AND THE EU ARE CALLING THE SHOTS. I've heard it said that what the USA did quickly to combat cheap Chinese steel will take the EU FOUR YEARS to decide to do. The U.K. Steel industry hasn't got four years. TIME TO GET OUT OF THE EU!!!!!! Ok, rant over
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Mar 30, 2016 21:04:27 GMT
Post by racechick on Mar 30, 2016 21:04:27 GMT
Ok. A bit more rant.
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Mar 31, 2016 9:00:08 GMT
LRW likes this
Post by racechick on Mar 31, 2016 9:00:08 GMT
Note to self...... Stop getting into arguments on Twitter with MEP's!
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Apr 25, 2016 7:53:33 GMT
Post by LRW on Apr 25, 2016 7:53:33 GMT
I haven't got the highest level of vocabulary, and am not the best at explaining myself (fuck I sound like a Canadian tifosi here) - buit having watched and litstened to a lot of political programs recently, I think im falling down on the IN side. I was originally leaning on the OUT.
Reasons:
- Working in the construciton industry in London, my job directly would be affected, if we left Europe. - The risk is too great that big business could pull out of London / UK - A big concern at the moment, and a major reason to leave, is taking back control of our borders. But if we left EU - any trade agreement we made WOULD require free movement of labour - and therefore we wouldn't get much control of them back anyway.
The end.
(RC you can try, but I dont think you'll succeed)
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Apr 25, 2016 9:38:32 GMT
Post by racechick on Apr 25, 2016 9:38:32 GMT
Lol. Oh I will try. But when I'm back in the UK. It's not just about border control.
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Post by RyRy on Apr 25, 2016 11:53:17 GMT
Lol. Oh I will try. But when I'm back in the UK. It's not just about border control. Maybe the border control will stop you going on holiday every month xD haha Seriously though, I really don't think we'll leave, I can't believe it's even up for a vote, even if we were getting screwed we've benefited significantly from the EU so we should give it more time but we aren't being screwed. I've told my brother (the UKIP idiot) that if he goes and votes for yes, to leave the EU that I will go vote no and I will get someone else to vote no too just to nullify his and one other voters, vote. I'm lazy, I don't want to vote unless I need to.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:02:00 GMT
Post by Wß on Apr 25, 2016 12:02:00 GMT
The problem with low corporate taxes is that the tax burden is shifted to the individual. Look where that's gotten the US with so many multi national corporations having the benefit of low tax rates yet still shifting their jobs outside of the country because labor is always cheaper elsewhere.
What you're left with is corporations that pay little in tax and manufacturing jobs going elsewhere.
From a financial standpoint the global markets are a little "skittish" for lack of a better word about the outcome there. Are there any recent poll numbers on which way things are leaning at the moment?
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Post by LRW on Apr 25, 2016 12:14:40 GMT
I wouldnt trust the polls over here - no on their performance at the last GE.
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Apr 29, 2016 0:26:25 GMT
Post by racechick on Apr 29, 2016 0:26:25 GMT
An interesting read here on what's happening in France. And a warning about being careful how you go about protecting the labour force and enforcing a socialist system. France has very high unemployment especially amongst the young. They are heavily taxed and have a large and inefficient public sector. This has resulted in a two tier level for workers. Those in work benefit from high levels of protection but it means businesses are reluctant to employ because of the expense. Thus they have about 10% of their population unemployed , mostly young. This socialist system is actually causing an inefficient economy and inequality. Some reasons for the demise in France are explored in this article. www.bbc.com/news/business-36152571
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Jun 9, 2016 19:05:46 GMT
Post by racechick on Jun 9, 2016 19:05:46 GMT
2hr debate on the EU on ITV now. EDIT: Amber Rudd is getting right up my nose!!
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Jun 10, 2016 6:49:59 GMT
Post by LRW on Jun 10, 2016 6:49:59 GMT
I haven't got the highest level of vocabulary, and am not the best at explaining myself (fuck I sound like a Canadian tifosi here) - buit having watched and litstened to a lot of political programs recently, I think im falling down on the IN side. I was originally leaning on the OUT. Reasons: - Working in the construciton industry in London, my job directly would be affected, if we left Europe. - The risk is too great that big business could pull out of London / UK - A big concern at the moment, and a major reason to leave, is taking back control of our borders. But if we left EU - any trade agreement we made WOULD require free movement of labour - and therefore we wouldn't get much control of them back anyway. The end. (RC you can try, but I dont think you'll succeed) Im back on the fence again. These debates on the TV are doing nothing but reminding me that politicians have no intent on really putting forward clear solid reasoning or explaining the though process behind their words. They are just spouting sound bites and going for cheap point scoring with each other. Its like watching a group of 6yr olds in a playground. One thing I have noticed - there are a LOT of leave voters about.
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